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		<title>By: &#8220;Uncool People Need Jesus Too&#8221;: An Acts 29 Network Pastor Offers a Caution to His Colleagues and Provides an Example of a Healthy and Humble Self-Critical Posture &#171; RBS Tabletalk</title>
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		<title>By: deangonzales</title>
		<link>http://blog.rbseminary.org/2008/09/the-danger-of-reformed-traditionalism-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3612</link>
		<dc:creator>deangonzales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

None of us own a patent on the label &quot;Reformed Baptists.&quot; Interestingly, the signers of the 1689 didn&#039;t refer to themselves by that name. I think we&#039;re free to use such titles so long as we add further qualifiers to help others understand our position. The main thing is that we&#039;re true to Scripture. Tradition should serve as our guide but not our ultimate master. I can affirm the teaching of the 1689 Confession. But I don&#039;t think it has the last word on everything. God&#039;s Spirit has continued to teach the church since the 17th century, and I&#039;ve enjoyed learning some important and valid truths from brothers outside my own tradition. So whether or not we cross our t&#039;s or dot our i&#039;s exactly the same, I suspect we share much in common and would enjoy worshiping our Sovereign God together and promoting His fame throughout the earth. 

Your servant,
Bob Gonzales</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>None of us own a patent on the label &#8220;Reformed Baptists.&#8221; Interestingly, the signers of the 1689 didn&#8217;t refer to themselves by that name. I think we&#8217;re free to use such titles so long as we add further qualifiers to help others understand our position. The main thing is that we&#8217;re true to Scripture. Tradition should serve as our guide but not our ultimate master. I can affirm the teaching of the 1689 Confession. But I don&#8217;t think it has the last word on everything. God&#8217;s Spirit has continued to teach the church since the 17th century, and I&#8217;ve enjoyed learning some important and valid truths from brothers outside my own tradition. So whether or not we cross our t&#8217;s or dot our i&#8217;s exactly the same, I suspect we share much in common and would enjoy worshiping our Sovereign God together and promoting His fame throughout the earth. </p>
<p>Your servant,<br />
Bob Gonzales</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,
What would you say to a Baptist church that has come into the reformed understanding via the Bible? We did not come to these conclusions with confessions but later realized these confessions agreed with the Word of God (Though not covering modern day egalitarian issues) . We are a young reformational church and therefore do not have the traditions of Reformed Baptist, and quite frankly do not want to practice some of those traditions in our church. 
1.) We are not charismatic but desire and are working toward that spirit in our worship. 
2.) We are not formal in dress or in the beginning of our services. (I know that many RB churches are very quiet, and we respect that). We have many new visitors each Sunday and welcome them rather openly and maybe to some noisily.
3.) Though we hold to the 1689, we do not use it as a basis of acceptance into membership, but will occasionally refer to in a message or refer others to it to clarify certain doctrines.

Would we be considered a newer type of &quot;Reformed Baptist&quot; or simply &quot;Baptist&quot; who hold to reformed theology because we do not hold to certain traditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,<br />
What would you say to a Baptist church that has come into the reformed understanding via the Bible? We did not come to these conclusions with confessions but later realized these confessions agreed with the Word of God (Though not covering modern day egalitarian issues) . We are a young reformational church and therefore do not have the traditions of Reformed Baptist, and quite frankly do not want to practice some of those traditions in our church.<br />
1.) We are not charismatic but desire and are working toward that spirit in our worship.<br />
2.) We are not formal in dress or in the beginning of our services. (I know that many RB churches are very quiet, and we respect that). We have many new visitors each Sunday and welcome them rather openly and maybe to some noisily.<br />
3.) Though we hold to the 1689, we do not use it as a basis of acceptance into membership, but will occasionally refer to in a message or refer others to it to clarify certain doctrines.</p>
<p>Would we be considered a newer type of &#8220;Reformed Baptist&#8221; or simply &#8220;Baptist&#8221; who hold to reformed theology because we do not hold to certain traditions.</p>
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		<title>By: The Danger of Reformed Traditionalism, Part I &#171; RBS Tabletalk</title>
		<link>http://blog.rbseminary.org/2008/09/the-danger-of-reformed-traditionalism-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-337</link>
		<dc:creator>The Danger of Reformed Traditionalism, Part I &#171; RBS Tabletalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: deangonzales</title>
		<link>http://blog.rbseminary.org/2008/09/the-danger-of-reformed-traditionalism-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>deangonzales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

Thanks for the comment. I agree. That was the aim of &quot;Part II&quot; of this series. I try to suggest at least three areas in which I believe the 1689 can be refined and enhanced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. I agree. That was the aim of &#8220;Part II&#8221; of this series. I try to suggest at least three areas in which I believe the 1689 can be refined and enhanced.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

If the confession can be improved upon, is not the burden of proof placed on the person who would do so?  Is there a suspicion that one or more parts of the 1689 LBC may need correction or improvement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>If the confession can be improved upon, is not the burden of proof placed on the person who would do so?  Is there a suspicion that one or more parts of the 1689 LBC may need correction or improvement?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://blog.rbseminary.org/2008/09/the-danger-of-reformed-traditionalism-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GCB,

&lt;i&gt;Who says the creation account resembles ANE? Why doesn’t ANE resemble the creation accounts?&lt;/i&gt;

Valid questions and I don&#039;t want to hijack Prof. Gonzales&#039; thread in answering. I will post them on my blog, see link below but that will probably be Saturday as I will be too buzy this week to do so.

In the meantime you may be interested in &lt;a href=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Thoughts on Gen. 1:1-2:4a&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GCB,</p>
<p><i>Who says the creation account resembles ANE? Why doesn’t ANE resemble the creation accounts?</i></p>
<p>Valid questions and I don&#8217;t want to hijack Prof. Gonzales&#8217; thread in answering. I will post them on my blog, see link below but that will probably be Saturday as I will be too buzy this week to do so.</p>
<p>In the meantime you may be interested in <a href="" rel="nofollow"> Thoughts on Gen. 1:1-2:4a</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: deangonzales</title>
		<link>http://blog.rbseminary.org/2008/09/the-danger-of-reformed-traditionalism-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>deangonzales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GCB,

I think Richard&#039;s point was that the 17th century Puritans did not have the same amount of archaeological and historical background material to the Scriptures that we 21st century believers currently possess. This material, when used properly, can shed light on certain texts and teachings of the Old and New Testaments. For example, in his&lt;em&gt; Biblical Theology&lt;/em&gt;, John Owen writes an excursus in which he argues that the Hebrew vowel points of the Masoretic text were added at the time of Ezra and should be treated as inspired. We now know that they were added much later, during the Medieval period by Jewish scribes. So here we have an example of an area where 21st century biblical scholarship can make a contribution to our understanding of Scripture that advances the contributions of the Puritans. For more on this subject, see my earlier post &lt;a href=&quot;Peter Enns, Jeffrey Niehaus, the Ancient Near East, and Inspiration&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Peter Enns, Jeffrey Niehaus, the Ancient Near East, and Inspiration&lt;/a&gt;. I do believe that a number of modern discoveries regarding Ancient Near Eastern kingship ideology and international treaty diplomacy have shed light on our understanding of OT theology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GCB,</p>
<p>I think Richard&#8217;s point was that the 17th century Puritans did not have the same amount of archaeological and historical background material to the Scriptures that we 21st century believers currently possess. This material, when used properly, can shed light on certain texts and teachings of the Old and New Testaments. For example, in his<em> Biblical Theology</em>, John Owen writes an excursus in which he argues that the Hebrew vowel points of the Masoretic text were added at the time of Ezra and should be treated as inspired. We now know that they were added much later, during the Medieval period by Jewish scribes. So here we have an example of an area where 21st century biblical scholarship can make a contribution to our understanding of Scripture that advances the contributions of the Puritans. For more on this subject, see my earlier post <a href="Peter Enns, Jeffrey Niehaus, the Ancient Near East, and Inspiration" rel="nofollow">Peter Enns, Jeffrey Niehaus, the Ancient Near East, and Inspiration</a>. I do believe that a number of modern discoveries regarding Ancient Near Eastern kingship ideology and international treaty diplomacy have shed light on our understanding of OT theology.</p>
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		<title>By: G.C. Berkley</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.C. Berkley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who says the creation account resembles ANE?  Why doesn&#039;t ANE resemble the creation accounts?  I don&#039;t think the Puritans would have much regard for ANE, and we shouldn&#039;t have much more than they...

But I agree with your main point.  Our doctrinal understanding didn&#039;t stop in the 18th century.  The older a confession gets, the more we revere it, at times to our detriment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who says the creation account resembles ANE?  Why doesn&#8217;t ANE resemble the creation accounts?  I don&#8217;t think the Puritans would have much regard for ANE, and we shouldn&#8217;t have much more than they&#8230;</p>
<p>But I agree with your main point.  Our doctrinal understanding didn&#8217;t stop in the 18th century.  The older a confession gets, the more we revere it, at times to our detriment&#8230;</p>
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